Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
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Alex Steiner
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
I'm against it because that way the serial killer/scum will know who to target.
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true and town can only lynch one person each day. Even if there is vigs. Scum may have roleblocking abilities. meaning they just roleblock vigs and kill them.
I serioulsy think that we shuld wait till day 2 or 3 to have a massclaim. That way there would be less players. Hopefully more town than scum, that way we lynch a scum, and then kill the rest at night.
I serioulsy think that we shuld wait till day 2 or 3 to have a massclaim. That way there would be less players. Hopefully more town than scum, that way we lynch a scum, and then kill the rest at night.
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
For (3):
Overlord, Alex, Eggs
Against (3):
Darth, Rewind, Mikey
Hmm, deadlock. Rewind, you say the SK and scum will know who to target, but either we can figure out who the town/non-town are, and just lynch them, or if we can't tell who's who, neither can the scum/SK.
Mikey, scum definitely do have roleblocking abilities, but town has roleblockers as well. With more information out there, they will be able to make a more informed decision about who to roleblock (and vigs to kill). Also, in later days, dead people cannot give information about Night 0 (like if they were roleblocked).
To keep the game moving, Vote: Mikey. He didn't seem to realise about town's abilities, and that this game may not make it to Day 3 (and town may not have a majority then).
Overlord, Alex, Eggs
Against (3):
Darth, Rewind, Mikey
Hmm, deadlock. Rewind, you say the SK and scum will know who to target, but either we can figure out who the town/non-town are, and just lynch them, or if we can't tell who's who, neither can the scum/SK.
Mikey, scum definitely do have roleblocking abilities, but town has roleblockers as well. With more information out there, they will be able to make a more informed decision about who to roleblock (and vigs to kill). Also, in later days, dead people cannot give information about Night 0 (like if they were roleblocked).
To keep the game moving, Vote: Mikey. He didn't seem to realise about town's abilities, and that this game may not make it to Day 3 (and town may not have a majority then).
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
Massclaim breaks open setups.
I just noticed a problem. Wed on't know if we lynch scum or not. If we have 3 "town roleblockers", how do we know if we got the liar?
I must consider this. In general massclaim beats open setups.
I just noticed a problem. Wed on't know if we lynch scum or not. If we have 3 "town roleblockers", how do we know if we got the liar?
I must consider this. In general massclaim beats open setups.
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Because town roles can truthfully account for their actions. Scum will either have to lie, or be forced into the open and have to justify everything. I don't think it will be broken, exactly, just everything should be easier.
What you've said is not a point for, but I don't think it's a point against either.
What you've said is not a point for, but I don't think it's a point against either.
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
could we have a vote count plz
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Overlord - How exactly do you plan to force scum into the open, it it not that hard to make a credible lie, what is harder is to tell if it is a lie or not (in which, admit it, you don't have the greatest track record).
Your philosophy that scum will somehow reveal themselves I can not see as anything but naive, you seem to have built up an idea about how scum act which to me is foolish because every time you play the scum is a different person and different people have different playing styles that aren't set to some default frame of reference depending on which alignment you have.
Also you seem to think that everybody cares deeply about their win condition, I'm living proof against this, so please don't assume that everbody is playing to their win condition, because those smart enough not to play to their win condition are those that best play to their win condition.
Just something to think about
Your philosophy that scum will somehow reveal themselves I can not see as anything but naive, you seem to have built up an idea about how scum act which to me is foolish because every time you play the scum is a different person and different people have different playing styles that aren't set to some default frame of reference depending on which alignment you have.
Also you seem to think that everybody cares deeply about their win condition, I'm living proof against this, so please don't assume that everbody is playing to their win condition, because those smart enough not to play to their win condition are those that best play to their win condition.
Just something to think about
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Any player that is specifically playing against their win condition will be removed! You must always be trying to win!
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I didn't say I was playing against it I just don't care if I play for it.
I understand, just be careful... Not playing towards winning ruins the game for others.
I understand, just be careful... Not playing towards winning ruins the game for others.
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In this game we can catch people in lies, because every night action can be accounted for; either someone dies (public), or someone is roleblocked (private if survive, public if killed). If we massclaim, all night action information will be made public.
Then, we can analyse the claimed night actions, compare them to the claimed results (and most importantly, the public results), and find any discrepancies. Does anyone dispute this?
Then, we can analyse the claimed night actions, compare them to the claimed results (and most importantly, the public results), and find any discrepancies. Does anyone dispute this?
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As you have already claimed night actions it isn't hard for scum to say that they did something they didn't or for scum to have already said something they didn't you won't know.
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
mod could we please have a vote count.
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
Unofficial Vote Count:
Mikey (2) - Rewind, Lord
Darth (1) - Alex
I suppose it's 4 to lynch.
That's it (hey, I had time).
Darth, chances are scum will have to claim before at least one townie (and for clarity, I'm calling anti-town scum; I'll say SK or Mafia if I want to be specific). Once all actions are claimed, we can look for discrepancies.
For example, if I claimed to be a roleblocker and I roleblocked you, and you claimed to not have been roleblocked last night, one of us is lying. Do you disagree?
Also, that's why I suggested that I go first (either I'm town, fine, or I'm scum and you've locked me in, good for you). That's also why I suggest claiming roles first (everyone), then whether you were roleblocked (everyone), then what actions you did (everyone). Possibly even claim roleblockedness before roles. Opinions?
Mikey (2) - Rewind, Lord
Darth (1) - Alex
I suppose it's 4 to lynch.
That's it (hey, I had time).
Darth, chances are scum will have to claim before at least one townie (and for clarity, I'm calling anti-town scum; I'll say SK or Mafia if I want to be specific). Once all actions are claimed, we can look for discrepancies.
For example, if I claimed to be a roleblocker and I roleblocked you, and you claimed to not have been roleblocked last night, one of us is lying. Do you disagree?
Also, that's why I suggested that I go first (either I'm town, fine, or I'm scum and you've locked me in, good for you). That's also why I suggest claiming roles first (everyone), then whether you were roleblocked (everyone), then what actions you did (everyone). Possibly even claim roleblockedness before roles. Opinions?
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
Listen up guys:
That said, I'd really like to get this claim underway today. Rewind, Mikey or Darth, are any of you willing to change your mind? If so, I'll full claim, and you guys can follow afterwards, first RB'd or not, then role, then actions. OK?
Alex and Eggs, if you care more than 'well, OK', please speak up.
Mod: Can we get our deadline extended (the rules don't say one way or another)?
Reverse Simplicity wrote:Deadline on the 23/10/10 at 11:30
At this point, I wouldn't say no to a No Lynch; it will give even more information for Day 2, but Night 0 actions and 'I was roleblocked' could be lost. I think the logic puzzle should be fairly easy with two nights of information.Reverse Simplicity wrote:Deadline has been moved forward!
That said, I'd really like to get this claim underway today. Rewind, Mikey or Darth, are any of you willing to change your mind? If so, I'll full claim, and you guys can follow afterwards, first RB'd or not, then role, then actions. OK?
Alex and Eggs, if you care more than 'well, OK', please speak up.
Mod: Can we get our deadline extended (the rules don't say one way or another)?
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Why can't the mods tell us the stuff we need to know. I want votecounts, number to lynch deadlines and aboe all death reveals.
/rant
Yes, extend the deadline if possible.
Claim the roleblocked Y/N first, then perhaps ask for submissions of who did it and why.
For example, who blocked Tim? Once they claim, we ask if they got blocked, and it continues from there.
Or maybe that won't work. What if someone claims not to have been blocked. I suppose then we ask who they "actioned".
/rant
Yes, extend the deadline if possible.
Claim the roleblocked Y/N first, then perhaps ask for submissions of who did it and why.
For example, who blocked Tim? Once they claim, we ask if they got blocked, and it continues from there.
Or maybe that won't work. What if someone claims not to have been blocked. I suppose then we ask who they "actioned".
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I don't really like 'asking who did it'; it seems to be a bit ambiguous/people could hide in gaps. That's why I like a specified order.
My plan (with another yes vote):
I'll claim role/actions/RB'd
I'll nominate someone
They claim RB'd or not, and nominate someone
Last person to claim RB'd or not nominates someone to claim role
They claim role and nominate someone
Last person to claim role nominates someone to claim Night 0 action
They claim Night 0 action and nominate someone
We have lots of information to sift through, and can decide to lynch or not.
Darth, Rewind, Mikey, Eggs, Alex, make your thoughts on this clear.
My plan (with another yes vote):
I'll claim role/actions/RB'd
I'll nominate someone
They claim RB'd or not, and nominate someone
Last person to claim RB'd or not nominates someone to claim role
They claim role and nominate someone
Last person to claim role nominates someone to claim Night 0 action
They claim Night 0 action and nominate someone
We have lots of information to sift through, and can decide to lynch or not.
Darth, Rewind, Mikey, Eggs, Alex, make your thoughts on this clear.
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
ok let me go first I'm a roleblocking serial killer
I killed Supreme Overlord
I blocked Alex Steiner
but can you trust this information or could i have made it up using the information we have
discuss
I killed Supreme Overlord
I blocked Alex Steiner
but can you trust this information or could i have made it up using the information we have
discuss
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Works for me, Vote: Darth.
I guess you weren't roleblocked Night 0?
See, this matches the given information: Alex claimed to roleblocked, and Overlord-1 was killed. [Wait; a thought just came to me. Was that your intention, to only match the information we have. Either way, someone might still claim to have roleblocked you, or not, which could invalidate your claim.]
Anyway, your claim is tacit approval of the massclaim, so I'm a vigilante, but I didn't kill Night 0. I'm yet to hear back whether I was roleblocked or not, but that is a formality at this point.
Alex and Eggs have claimed to be roleblocked, so Mikey, were you roleblocked Night 0?
I guess you weren't roleblocked Night 0?
See, this matches the given information: Alex claimed to roleblocked, and Overlord-1 was killed. [Wait; a thought just came to me. Was that your intention, to only match the information we have. Either way, someone might still claim to have roleblocked you, or not, which could invalidate your claim.]
Anyway, your claim is tacit approval of the massclaim, so I'm a vigilante, but I didn't kill Night 0. I'm yet to hear back whether I was roleblocked or not, but that is a formality at this point.
Alex and Eggs have claimed to be roleblocked, so Mikey, were you roleblocked Night 0?
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Vote:Darth
because I am town Vig and I killed Overlord
because I am town Vig and I killed Overlord
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I was roleblocked in night 0, and i am a town roleblocker.
However i misunderstood that you could have night actions on night 0 so ididnt send a pm to the mod
Vote: Darth
We cannot know for sure if he is telling a lie or the truth.
However i misunderstood that you could have night actions on night 0 so ididnt send a pm to the mod
Vote: Darth
We cannot know for sure if he is telling a lie or the truth.
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
Well, if he's lying, he deserves to be lynched, and if he's telling the truth, he's an SK and deserves to be lynched.
That said, SK is a nonsensical claim. More likely he's a Mafia (probably goon) trying to draw attention away from his partner.
That said, SK is a nonsensical claim. More likely he's a Mafia (probably goon) trying to draw attention away from his partner.
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And now he's dead?
OK.
Just confirming I was roleblocked Night 0.
Now who?
OK.
Just confirming I was roleblocked Night 0.
Now who?
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Re: Reverse Simplicity Mafia Scum (V1)
ok don't believe me
I've already been lynched
I'm not scum
And just because I killed you dosen't mean you should hold a grudge against me Overlord.
I've already been lynched
I'm not scum
And just because I killed you dosen't mean you should hold a grudge against me Overlord.
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Not scum yet SK ... right.
This is good news, because there are at most two liars left.
Alex or Eggs, claim role and action (twilight probably won't last)
Everyone, then use that information, try to find a discrepancy, and use your ability accordingly.
This is good news, because there are at most two liars left.
Alex or Eggs, claim role and action (twilight probably won't last)
Everyone, then use that information, try to find a discrepancy, and use your ability accordingly.
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Just sos you know
Your mental state is seriously affected by the poisonous purple fog. You have the urge to kill!
You are a Role Blocking Serial Killer by night. You have two night abilities.
1. You may kill one person each night.
2. You may role block one person each night.
You win when all other players are dead.
Reverse Simplicity
Your mental state is seriously affected by the poisonous purple fog. You have the urge to kill!
You are a Role Blocking Serial Killer by night. You have two night abilities.
1. You may kill one person each night.
2. You may role block one person each night.
You win when all other players are dead.
Reverse Simplicity
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