Mindscrew 2.0 Day 3

Alex Steiner wrote:Reward for what?

Oh, sorry. Reaching 40 posts; possibly only for being the first to do so. Hence I said people should be more like me; ie post more.

If I Could Rewind wrote:I'm just going to point this out but it could be a "God" stuff up. I your statement could have been misread by "God" as Town/ Non Town rather than what it actually was.

I think it was designed to be Town/Non-town, and worked correctly.

If I Could Rewind wrote:Everyone else has claimed their powers which leaves RS (Brendo) with the killing role.

Everyone except you, you mean. And you're not doing a very good job of answering any questions directed at you.

If I Could Rewind wrote:This just makes sense to me, I'm fairly sure I'm right and if I am there will be no night kill allowing for us to simply vote SO the next day if he really doesn't have a town win condition. The other possibility to consider is that he's jester, hence the lack of ability to win with the town. Either way I doubt that SO's role is a killing one unless Darth had a protection role and blocked the kills N1. And right now I just want to get the killing roles out of the game and go from there.

I'm actually quite torn about this. On the one hand, everything you say is correct and good for me. On the other, if you were Mafia you could simply not kill tonight and get me lynched; except as Mafia, you wouldn't need to kill me.

If I Could Rewind wrote:PS: I seriously doubt that there is more than one "mafia" or even that there is any "mafia" at all due to the low number of players there might just be town and neutral.

The devoured kill had to come from somewhere. Oh; and Brendo was inactive over Night 2, and Reverse hadn't replaced in yet. This is important!

I'd really like to see Rewind lynched, but getting a competing wagon on Reverse is tempting. I'll stay on Rewind for now.

Alex Steiner wrote:I still intend to lynch Overlord, but not until Sunset.

Is it because you believe I'm scum, or just that you know I'm not part of the town? Is the info I've given you as a show of good faith not swaying you?

Hyde was most certainly a killer, though canonically via beating or other violent yet uncomplicated methods.

If I Could Rewind's soft falseclaim is bad and I dislike it very much.

Almost more than Overlord's *confirmed* not-townieness, seeing as he's valuable to keep around.

Still no one protected Overlord?

Reverse Simplicity wrote:I am indeed Ryu, I am a "sweet innocent girl". My win condition is survival. I have another ability that allows me to flip my personality, giving me different abilities, but I have not opted to do that yet. (Neither did Brendo apparently) I cannot change back once I do.

Well, if you can, don't flip that switch. It'll almost certainly make you a serial killer. The flavour doesn't really fit it being a conscious act, though. Do you know what abilities you'd get?

In light of this, I want to lynch Rewind, see if the game's over; lynch Reverse, see if the game's over - which I would expect it would be by then. Sid is an outside chance at this point. Pretty sure Alex is town, by cross-confirmation with Sid on a extremely town-helpful ability.

There's only the five of us. By my count, it's one vote each on Reverse, Rewind, and myself. Majority would be three.


Note: for some reason I completely missed this post, and my points about Rewind not claiming may not apply:

If I Could Rewind wrote:First off, I'd just like to say that I tried to post last night but for some reason resplect wouldn't let me.

Anyway this is basically a summary of what I tried to post, yes I will be honest even though I don't think I should be.

First part was me saying that I think either Darth or RS were scum, I forget the exact reasoning I had but it was to do with the role Pms that they claim. Anyway that doesn't really matter now as I was wrong on both counts -__- the next thing that I talked about was that I wasn't going to give out my full role PM as I don't think that would be too smart considering my abilities and win condition. However basically I'm someone with an interchangeable win condition and night powers. I am Town in most cases but under certain circumstances my night action changes and I become a survivor. I don't want to give away what changes this for obvious reasons and I also don't want to tell you my night actions for another obvious reason to anyone who thinks about what has happened so far.

Ok new stuff for Night 2:
I'm calling that RS tried to kill SO and SO Jail kept himself, if that's possible for him to do. Otherwise someone protected SO if someone else has a protection role. In other news I can safely say that I think we should Lynch brendo, I mean RS. We should lynch him now.

Vote: Reverse Simplicity (Brendothatsme)
FoS: The Magical Mexican of Mississippi

Under what circumstances does your action change, and from what to what?
And so I don't think Rewind and Reverse are Mafia partners. It looks like we've got three 'not-full' SKs; Light, Hyde, Lucy. Between Alex's ability hand-out, Sid's invert and my super-JK, as well as whatever Darth had (if he wasn't a jester), that might be balanced. Light may have been a vig, I guess.

I was about to go to bed, but I had some final thoughts:

I think we can lock down the game with Alex, Sid, and my abilities. For this plan, Reverse and Rewind are interchangeable.
We no-lynch.
I super-JK R1, Sid inverts the other (so they can't kill)
Alex gives Sid a gift (all with public results); either:
- an investigate on me or R2
- a kill on R2 (once you're sure)
- a protect on Alex (if you're paranoid)
Rinse and repeat; with lynches taking the place of Alex-gifted kills once you're sure.
The Rs can't do anything, you guys have the power to narrow down to your heart's content. And you still outnumber me two-to-one if the Rs both die and the game's still going .

If you don't trust me, I can be kept honest, because at any point Sid could switch to inverting me, publicly exiling my target; or, if I hypothetically blocked Sid, he wouldn't receive Alex's gift and the results wouldn't be made public.

Alex, Sid; your thoughts? If you spot any flaws, please point them out - hopefully we can work through them instead of just dismissing the idea.
(I'm kind of forced into assuming Sid's town by flavour and PoE. Not sure what to do about that, except I am pretty confident in the flavour and PoE.)


And a few more thoughts on Reverse's/Rewind's claims; I hope it hasn't escaped your notice that they're the ones who haven't claimed clearly nor verifiably. I claimed early and often, and endorsed the massclaim that's gotten us to where we are.
Also, note that they both claimed a survivor win con; whereas mine is not just to survive (no, I can't win after I die), I've also got a goal to work towards.

What of they can do more than kill? What is Sid's win condition?

Who is the Town I'm expected to win with?

Your assumption that Sid is alligned with your win condition is what the flaw is, as you said yourself. Being "forced" to assume something is just making an ass out of u and me. Quite a good plan but not fool proof. For example my kill from the death note still has not come to pass.

I do agree that I will probably be a serial killer if I were to flip. But at this point it seems more likely for me to win if I remain as I am. The # of players that can be alive when I win is not clear, it simply says "several" to which I assume at some point I will be declared winner if no one else manages to reach a win condition.

Official Vote Count

Supreme Overlord - 2 - Alex Steiner; Sid_The_Kid
Alex Steiner - 1 - (Brendothatsme)RS
If I Could Rewind - 1 - Supreme Overlord
(Brendothatsme)RS - 1 - If I Could Rewind

Players not voting:none

All this activity makes TKoE a happy mod.

To be honest I'm quite surprised I thought that more people would be voting for me seeings as I'm about to win soon but I guess that you wouldn't know that would you. Of course now if you want me to I can hard claim but I'll be honest I might just lie again. Anyway's I though seeing as several of you have guessed that I have a kill I might as well let you know that I killed Reverse... Well I suppose that I technically ate him but he's dead now either way. That's why I'm fairly sure that RS (Brendo) is the other killing role. My own killing action was a situational ability that I was given at the start of the game and as such I doubt that the conditions for me to use it will come up again. Anyway the point of this rant is that RS-1 (Light's) kill hasn't come through yet (this is assuming that he tried to kill someone). Apart from that the only other kills in the game were mine (which is situational) and RS (brendo's) which wasn't used because he was afk. I personally like SO's plan but I think it has several major flaws. the least of which is what happens if Light's kill comes through tonight.

So, in conclusion I'm just going to keep voting for RS and hope that someone else does the same.

Devoured... Riped to pieces...

Are we positive that eggs isn't playing?

seems to me somebody got angry ...

Official Vote Count

Supreme Overlord - 1 - Sid_The_Kid
If I Could Rewind - 1 - Supreme Overlord
(Brendothatsme)RS - 1 - If I Could Rewind

Players not voting: (Brendothatsme)RS

Well. That sucks. Obviously Rewind and Reverse are the killers (ripped to pieces fits Lucy's flavour exactly, so clearly Reverse has activated his role). Rewind claimed the devoured kill.

Sid; you're either town or close to it. Assuming the vote count hasn't been reset, Rewind is still voting Reverse, so we can lynch him today. Reverse has a daykill, so that's more dangerous, too. I'll block Rewind tonight, so he can't kill you, you do nothing, and we can lynch him tomorrow. Deal?

Unvote
Vote: Reverse Simplicity

Ok this is pretty simple, either SO is the ripper or RS (Brendo) is the ripper.

I'm fairly sure that Sid's claim has already been verified through events... Unless he has more than one ability. Ok anyone could be the ripper I'm going to go hide in a corner now, chow.

IICR goes and hides himself, away from everyone else

wait no I like Overlords plan better

WAIT WAIT WAIT OH NO this is bad

unvote

Vote: Sid The Kid

Vote: Sid_The_Kid

Stalemate.

IICR What is your win condition? This is quite important.

What? Why?

Sid, maybe we'll need Reverse's help to lynch Rewind. Then hope we can lynch Reverse Day 4 before the daykill goes through.

If Rewind and Reverse band together, I'm pretty sure this game goes into deadlock - we can't get a 2v2 majority (I'm not voting for Sid), and I can block one of you and Sid can invert the other.

No, that's not right; Reverse has a daykill; with Sid's help I could maybe exile Reverse, but that leaves Rewind free to kill one of us.

Rewind, unless you have kill immunity, Reverse will kill you tomorrow. We need to lynch him today while his daykill is depleted.

Also Sid_The_Kid what is your win condition? (in plain text)

Reverse, can you tell us what your win condition is?

Everyone shut up for 10 minutes, I have shit to organise

Yes I win when if I survive to the final 3 players.

Currently of most use is IICR, as he has a kill. However if a lynch can be obtained I will not need it. Sid_the_kid can help me here.

IMHO we should all lynch SO I would prefer to help another player win without my death. So sorry SO your out of that.

Unless when we finish posting you can prove you had a rule about that... I would recomend forcing night. IICR please assist me by killing SO.