Mindscrew 7, The [REDACTED] Edition

I don’t have a lot to go off here either.
DV you have a description of in your role that matches Darths? Are they somehow linked?

I don't know Darth's exact role. The only real comparison I see is that he mentioned that his character's a bulimic (e.g. a binge-eater), and my character is known to eat a lot also.

Checking in, but considering there hasn't been a lot of action I currently don't have anything to add to the conversation

Okay well, I think for me the best strategy is probably lying low for now being fresh to this game and it seems to be the status quo anyhow. The less dirt we give the mafia the better honestly.
I’m keen to hear everyone’s opinion of course on the best way forward.

FoS: Stranger

I've got to say, I'd rather not be voting based on activity (unless you've got a reason why you think inactivity might be correlated with Mafia).  But, going along with that, that does mean people need to be posting - so there's something else to base votes on.


I don't think rereading Day 1 looking for motivations is worthless, but as a suggestion; if you reread Day 2 so far, does anyone look like their motivation has changed?

And for everyone except Sid, can I reiterate my request to throw out a vote? If you are worried that a vote will be too 'strong', at least throw out an FoS.
(Something to be careful about is if someone has three votes, since the next one would lynch them - and I would consider it suspicious for someone to hammer someone without general consensus and the opportunity to claim their role.)

Sorry for the incredibly late post. Yesterday I was super super busy and Mindscrew just got away from me.

I'll address each post and discuss my thought process with everything, now I am "mostly" caught up.

Supreme Overlord wrote:So I do think we should properly get to lynching today. Even if you're not 100% behind it, I'd appreciate it if you could throw out a vote so we know roughly where you stand.

I'm in agreement with this. We should definitely lynch someone today.

Regarding any useful role information that I have, I unfortunately didn't really get any kind of exposition on how I lost my memory.

Dark Vessel wrote:I don't know Darth's exact role. The only real comparison I see is that he mentioned that his character's a bulimic (e.g. a binge-eater), and my character is known to eat a lot also.

My character, similarly to DV's and Darth's also really likes food.
I'd gladly reveal my character's name, but doing so would almost certainly reveal my alignment, something I would rather not be doing at this stage.

My character is also from a fairly current show, but amnesia is really an aspect of it at all.
Additionally, and probably the only other bit of info that's important for us to know that I can really divulge right now, is my character is very forgetful. Not an amnesiac (although the irony isn't lost on me), but my character "loses" memories of important things, so to speak.

Stranger wrote:Okay well, I think for me the best strategy is probably lying low for now being fresh to this game and it seems to be the status quo anyhow. The less dirt we give the mafia the better honestly.

Rich coming from me, but I'd also rather we didn't vote based on activity (or a lack thereof). I do what I can to reply when I can. I like to contribute when I've got a solid hour or two to really sit, read everybody's posts and also make mine. That's just the nature of how I play this game.

Alex Steiner wrote:Firstly: Most important information I can glean from my now-remembered role is that the concept of alignment changing is in the rules. No idea how or when it might be done, but it seems probable to me that the Mafia or third party win conditions might grow in number by changing player alignment.

This is particularly worrying, and also rather interesting information.
Alex, is there anything you can reveal about how your role PM revealed this information? I'm genuinely rather surprised you were able to ascertain this much from your role PM.

For now I don't have any clear set ideas on who to vote for, but I'll check back in again soon once I've stewed on all the information we've all currently revealed.

Just so nobody can twist my words I'll make a quick correction.

"My character is also from a fairly current show, but amnesia IS NOT really an aspect of it at all."
Slight typo.

SolVI wrote:I'd gladly reveal my character's name, but doing so would almost certainly reveal my alignment, something I would rather not be doing at this stage.

Vote: SolVI
Which is where my vote already was, but I emphasise it's for real this time (well, more real). Why would revealing your alignment be undesirable, unless your alignment was not Town?

Vote: Supreme Overlord


I'm just throwing this out there, not because there is currently a lot to go on but because I would personally like some more information from you about your role. Grabbing one's attention more so than believing one is scum.

But I am fair so I shall go first, I will take one extra vote to lynch today as a result of my passive.

Supreme I’m keen to hear your method on the way forward for us. I only picked to withhold for now because others were/are being recluse about their roles and if it’s the only way I can clear my name for you I will gladly give the full monty.

Stranger wrote:Supreme I’m keen to hear your method on the way forward for us.

To try to boil it down to it's essence, I generally go from the assumption that there are players who don't care who dies, so long as it's not them/their known partners (Mafia); and there are other players who are trying to identify and lynch them (Town); and from there I'm trying to figure out who's doing what.

That said though, my current vote on SolVI is not exactly based on that structure; more that I don't see why a Town player would have said what they said about their alignment - and if they're not Town, I'd like to know what they are.


Also, I do now have something extra for this:

Darth Skywalkerbacca wrote:I'm just throwing this out there, not because there is currently a lot to go on but because I would personally like some more information from you about your role.

I am happy to report that, if alignment-changing does exist as per Alex, it doesn't help the Mafia faction grow.  I can't say for sure whether it helps Town or third-party; or whether Town can lose their win cons, but I know if you're not currently Mafia, you cannot become Mafia.

Supreme Overlord wrote:I am happy to report that, if alignment-changing does exist as per Alex, it doesn't help the Mafia faction grow.  I can't say for sure whether it helps Town or third-party; or whether Town can lose their win cons, but I know if you're not currently Mafia, you cannot become Mafia.

 
Can you elaborate on how you know this? Is it a guess based on your abilities the same as Alex? As a direct result of an ability?

That is interesting, but not as interesting as Darths and DVs shared theme. Is it possible the mafia don’t know who else is mafia like us with other townies?
If so DV sand Darth could’ve low key connected through a mutual role. Just a noob theory.

Darth Skywalkerbacca wrote:Can you elaborate on how you know this? Is it a guess based on your abilities the same as Alex? As a direct result of an ability?

This is the result of an ability (not an inference or a guess). Also, I am not corroborating Alex's claim that alignment changing does exist; just saying non-Mafia can't become Mafia (which may be trivially true if Alex is lying).

Stranger wrote:Is it possible the mafia don’t know who else is mafia like us with other townies?

Ah yes, I forgot to mention, it is possible multiple Mafia don't know each other, or there is only a single Mafia, which weakens my assumptions from their ideal form. Personally, with Mafia unable to recruit, and a Town win con that only requires Mafia to die, I think it's most likely there's more than one (and if so, I think it's likely they know each other and can communicate) - but it's not certain.

We really don't have much to go on at this stage. It all depends on if someone has some wacky ability that could help, but that is very much dependent on them keeping quiet about it and hinting at what they have figured out over time. TBH last game is the only mafia game i've ever really played, but from my experience with these kinds of games in slightly different genres, things go slow until an inflection point is met and all hell breaks loose...

Stranger wrote:That is interesting, but not as interesting as Darths and DVs shared theme. Is it possible the mafia don’t know who else is mafia like us with other townies?
If so DV sand Darth could’ve low key connected through a mutual role. Just a noob theory.

If you think us both being hungry bois is suspicious, I don't know what to say. Sol also reported being a character associated with food, but 3 mafia would surely be insane given the playercount.
I guess maybe it could be that each mafia knows a few similarities their characters share, in which case revealing one character trait will have only narrowed the field a little...

Sol stating they would rather not reveal their alignment is somewhat suspicious, but feels like too blunt an admission. Why would a mafia say that? Much like I leapt to electrix defense in the last game due to the illogic of calling me out as good, i'll say that a mafia would never say something like that. If anything they'd be too defensive.
Pink role, perhaps? Or a SK/mafia double-bluffing, but feels sketchy...

I say the last one is the only one I really played. I don't count mindscrew 5, I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, joined too late and was totally lost throughout xD

Supreme Overlord wrote:

SolVI wrote:I'd gladly reveal my character's name, but doing so would almost certainly reveal my alignment, something I would rather not be doing at this stage.

Vote: SolVI
Which is where my vote already was, but I emphasise it's for real this time (well, more real). Why would revealing your alignment be undesirable, unless your alignment was not Town?

FOS: SolVI given the town wincon being focused on only mafia, this really doesn’t make any sense to me, the only alignment that doesn’t want to be revealed would be mafia.

Dark Vessel wrote:Sol stating they would rather not reveal their alignment is somewhat suspicious, but feels like too blunt an admission. Why would a mafia say that?

indeed too blunt, perhaps Jester? Although can town allow a jester win thus loosing a potentially supporting neutral’s vote?

Supreme Overlord wrote:Also, I do now have something extra for this:

Darth Skywalkerbacca wrote:I'm just throwing this out there, not because there is currently a lot to go on but because I would personally like some more information from you about your role.

I am happy to report that, if alignment-changing does exist as per Alex, it doesn't help the Mafia faction grow.  I can't say for sure whether it helps Town or third-party; or whether Town can lose their win cons, but I know if you're not currently Mafia, you cannot become Mafia.

Ok, to build on this, this means that N1 has to be one of the following scenarios:

• Mafia hit an immune target
  
• Mafia was role-blocked N1
  
• Mafia was also affected by amnesia
  
• Mafia was silent
  

given the collective amnesia start I don’t believe that the first 2 are likely, and also given the D2 start flavor text and that no-one has come forward claiming targeted N1.
Assuming that a silent mafia is most likely, my guess is that we have 1 or 2 members in our midst.

Supreme Overlord wrote:

Stranger wrote:Is it possible the mafia don’t know who else is mafia like us with other townies?

Ah yes, I forgot to mention, it is possible multiple Mafia don't know each other, or there is only a single Mafia, which weakens my assumptions from their ideal form. Personally, with Mafia unable to recruit, and a Town win con that only requires Mafia to die, I think it's most likely there's more than one (and if so, I think it's likely they know each other and can communicate) - but it's not certain.

I agree, having to only kill 1 player seems a tad easy for town, especially since their main tool to kill is lynching,assuming no TK roles. But with the vote target hidden, it’s entirely possible that there are ways that mafia have been made harder to lynch.
And for mafia to have too many members,especially if they’ve been known to each other from the start, seems too easy for them, so I’d rather work on the assumption that we have 2 in our midst.

Given Darth’s weird D1 anomaly of flavor reason for amnesia, and SolVI’s reluctance to reveal alignment, I’m guessing we have at least 2 neutrals who are not convinced of the towns inclusive wincon.

This leaves us with 3 or 4 town. which I’m sure we’d all agree, based on the information given so far, one of the members is Alex.

To say something of my role/character I’m a human that’s been known by many different aliases throughout the years, thanks to Mr Bob Kane.

Sid_The_Kid wrote:
To say something of my role/character I’m a human that’s been known by many different aliases throughout the years, thanks to Mr Bob Kane.

Interesting, I am also of the hero inclination, and a hero/villain theme would be more reasonable than an, eats a lot theme. I have no issue with saying that my character is Emma from Gen V (spinoff of The Boys) knowing this in no way helps to identify either of my abilities so I don't mind sharing. 

I am assuming this from the mention of Bob Kane anyways, but does anybody else also share such a thematic role? 

(Also I have been watching Gen V as is comes out, so I enjoyed my character when I got her but I do recommend, it is worth a watch)

Darth Skywalkerbacca wrote:

Sid_The_Kid wrote:
To say something of my role/character I’m a human that’s been known by many different aliases throughout the years, thanks to Mr Bob Kane.

Interesting, I am also of the hero inclination, and a hero/villain theme would be more reasonable than an, eats a lot theme. I have no issue with saying that my character is Emma from Gen V (spinoff of The Boys) knowing this in no way helps to identify either of my abilities so I don't mind sharing. 

I am assuming this from the mention of Bob Kane anyways, but does anybody else also share such a thematic role? 

(Also I have been watching Gen V as is comes out, so I enjoyed my character when I got her but I do recommend, it is worth a watch)

Richard “Robin” Grayson (Batman) … whilst this may tell you what category I am, the role and thus the abilities aren’t direct, just a bit screwy, yet still related.

I’ve got little knowledge of Gen V, or even the series/universe it’s a spinoff of.

I'm not a superhero/villain, so no need to assume that's the common theme.  I would rather not claim my character right now - if I'm required to claim my abilities, I'll do character at that time and you'll see how it's all fairly closely related.


Sid, why tease 'Bob Kane', only to go ahead and reveal 'Robin' one post later?

Darth, how satisfied are you with my info?

Supreme Overlord wrote:Sid, why tease 'Bob Kane', only to go ahead and reveal 'Robin' one post later?

Ah the person I actually thought asked me. Sorry Darth.

Firstly, the tease was more of a gauge how someone might react to the general hint, Kane contributed widely to both heroes and villains. Yes, I could have waited for more reactions, and there’s nothing stopping the others from reacting further.

But it did kind of surprise me to be called so swiftly on what was quite a general “I’m somewhere in his work”
I agree that I may have overshared too swiftly but if it gets the action moving I’m all for it.
I feel I got something worth while, I’ll have to sit down and ruminate on it though, it could just be nothing though.

As for a theme, I don’t see anything yet, it’s probably not something superficial, the only thing I see that unites us is our masochistic responses to the will of the sadistic egg.

Apologies for the lack of posting, and I recognise the irony here. C'est la vie, unfortunately.

SolVI wrote:

Alex Steiner wrote:Firstly: Most important information I can glean from my now-remembered role is that the concept of alignment changing is in the rules. No idea how or when it might be done, but it seems probable to me that the Mafia or third party win conditions might grow in number by changing player alignment.

This is particularly worrying, and also rather interesting information.
Alex, is there anything you can reveal about how your role PM revealed this information? I'm genuinely rather surprised you were able to ascertain this much from your role PM.

Simple: I'm explicitly immune to it as a Passive Ability. Could be a misleading dummy ability, but that doesn't feel likely, and it doesn't make sense to play as if it doesn't just work.

Taking Supreme Overlord's claim about Mafia faction not growing at face value, it could be some lategame third party necromancy stuff (that would deny me a Town win if my alignment was changed), or a triggered rule-driven amnesia sleeper-agent role change for being lynched or other mod shenanigans.

Whatever the case, it makes me a little more comfortable claiming my passive (and pinning Supreme Overlord in a lie if he's Mafia). Quite the aggressive fakeclaim to make, so I'll take it as truth for now.

Side note: How did Supreme Overlord get that Mafia faction alignment stuff from a Town role PM? Mine doesn't have any information not directly relevant to my wincon and abilities, so it seems odd to inform you of a different faction's limitations.

My source material is not a particularly recent piece of fiction, and I'm not anywhere in the superhero/villain genre. However, there is a connection to amnesia in my character, though no binge-eating as far as I know.

Per some questions to the mod (and attempting to use an ability blind while still amnesiac), I explicitly didn't have any ability until I got my new PM (ie if I'd somehow guessed my ability correctly, I still would not have been able to use it). Assuming that's true for all players, it means N1 stuff was less likely passively or actively stopped by Town (since amnesiacs didn't have passives N1). I'm more inclined to think global roleblock N1 or even universal amnesia (with secret faction communication the only exception maybe).